****************************************************************************** From: "Geoff Wainwright" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:00:03 -0000 Subject: Mass accuracy and peptide mass fingerprint results Organization: * Dear Group, I wondered whether anybody could clarify a point regarding the mass accuracy required to successfully query a database (i.e. return your sample protein at the top of the hit list) with user-generated peptide mass fingerprint data. I have heard that there is a limit for mass accuracy above which there is no advantage to be gained (my own experiences also suggest this). Does anybody have any comments, or can they point me in the direction of a suitable publication that discusses this point? Thanks for your time. Geoff Dr. G. Wainwright School of Biological Sciences University of Liverpool Liverpool L69 7ZB United Kingdom Tel (44)151 794 4356 FAX (44)151 794 4349 ****************************************************************************** From: David Stranz Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:27:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Mass accuracy and peptide mass fingerprint results Organization: Sierra Analytics, LLC Geoff - Mass accuracy is only one factor in achieving good results in protein database searching. It has much greater dependence on what you present to the database. These criteria all play off each other: 1. The number of peptides presented as part of a query. (Strive for as great a coverage as possible). 2. The accuracy of determination of their masses. 3. The "uniqueness" of the peptides. (In general, higher mass peptides are more likely to be unique). 4. Whether MS/MS data (and thus partial sequence) is available for one or more peptides. 5. Other constraints (protein MW, pI, species, etc.) but most important, if your protein isn't in the database, it will never appear at the top of the list. In general, if you have only MS data, greater mass accuracy will aid greatly in eliminating false positives. Having many peptides with low mass accuracy will succeed in pulling out the really huge proteins from the database, simply because the likelihood of finding matching peptides is higher the bigger the protein. On the other hand, as Matthias Mann and others have demonstrated, sometimes a single peptide with an MS/MS sequence tag is sufficient to unambiguously identify a protein. Places to look for more information on DB searching (names of DB search programs in parentheses): Protana's web site: http://www.protana.com (PepSea) Proteometrics' web site: http://www.proteometrics.com (PROWL) UCSF MS Lab web site: http://prospector.ucsf.edu/ (Protein Prospector) Matrix Science web site: http://www.matrixscience.com (Mascot) Fundamental papers: "Rapid identification of proteins by peptide-mass fingerprinting", D. J. C. Pappin, P. Horjup, and A. J. Bleasby, Current Biology 3(6) 1993 (327-332) "Error-tolerant identification of peptides in sequence databases by peptide sequence tags", M. Mann and M. Wilm, Anal. Chem. 66 (24), 1994 (4390-4399) "From electrophoretically-separated protein to identification: Strategies for sequence and mass analysis", S. D. Patterson, Anal. Biochem. 221, 1994 (1-15) "Identification of the components of simple protein mixtures by high-accuracy peptide mass mapping and database searching", O. N. Jensen, A. V. Podtelejnikov and M. Mann, Anal Chem 69, 1997 (4741-4750) Regards, David Stranz